Nothing is more holy than out religion.
For someone who burns the Koran, the punishment according to Islam, is death, is that correct?
If you burn the Koran, which is an insult, then the answer is clearly yes.
You sat in prison for threatening [?] and the Prime Minister now one of the [?] says that you have threatened him again. Is that correct?
No that is not correct. He can go the way of the courts and try to prove that.
But that man who has burned the Koran, would it be right that he loses his life even though he lives in Norway?
I know absolutely that he has committed a criminal offense where the punishment is death. The responsibility for carrying out the punishment is on the Umman, our Muslim brotherhood (Umman). Regardless if he lives in Norway, or if he is Barack Obama, I am not myself threatening the person. I am telling you what is stated in the law. I have told you what is in the Koran and in the Hadith. I have not pointed at one specific person and said, “You we must kill.”
One of those who burned a Koran is afraid because somebody who listens to you might want to kill him. Because you have said that that is the punishment according to the Koran. Isn’t there the risk that somebody would listen to you?
He must fear the Somalis, the Indonesians, the Africans, The Chechens, anybody who follows the Koran. He doesn’t have to be afraid of me but will have to fear the crime he has committed and fear that his punishment will be executed.
Doesn’t that mean that you with your religious interpretations as a matter of fact sentence him to death, even if you won’t personally do the deed then somebody else will do it?
Not only those who listen to me. Anybody who knows of this punishment can kill him. Anybody. We will defend our religion with our own blood. Our only limits are limits of blood, limits made of explosives. Those who insult our religion must know that one of us will die, that this is a matter of life and death.
But would you be satisfied if this man gets killed?
Yes. I would send a gift to the person who kills him. Why wouldn’t I be happy about that?
Does that mean that you are happy about the attack on Charlie Hebdo in France and also the attack against Lars Vilks in Denmark?
I know little about the attack in Denmark. But of course, I am happy about what happened in France.
Those who attacked Charlie Hebdo, how would you describe them?
They were defending their honor, they were defending their holiness.
Those who attacked Charlie Hebdo in France, were they heroes?
Yes, or course. They were Jihadists.
Would you wish to also find heroes like that in Norway?
No. I don’t hope for that. Not because I live in Norway, but because France deserves it.
But if the Scandinavians also go down the same path as France, then they would deserve it.
If for example, an artist draws a Muhammed cartoon in Norway for the first time, that is the first one to make it. Would it then be all right for an Islamist to find that person and blow himself up to kill the cartoonist?
It is not I who gives permission to do this. But the cartoonist would have become an infidel warrior whom it is then permitted to kill. Still, explosives must not be used as it could also then kill innocents.
But if he is alone then that is OK?
Wipe him out. Wipe him out. Because he has stepped on our dignity, our principles, and our belief, he will have to die. Those who don’t respect 30% of the earth’s population (Muslims) have no right to live.
But there are also Norwegian newspapers and TV stations amongst others, who have published some of these cartoons.
It is the first act on that matters. For example, when Jyllands-Posten published those despicable cartoons in 2005 in Denmark, then those are the ones that count. Later 13 other countries who also published the drawings to lessen the pressure on Denmark, this is also not the right thing to do, but still, it is the first action that deserves a reaction. We live in an open time. Those who mock our religion have to know that we are not like the Jews – who keep silent and bow down before international “drawing-terror”. No. We will die for our religion and we live for our religion. Nothing is more holy than our religion. Those who insult our religion must know that we will meet them with our bombs. There will be no indulgence, no understanding or negotiations in this case. We do not live for the sake or our own lives. We do not live for our wives. We live only for our religion.
Is it good that Norwegian Islamic youth travel around to strengthen both their belief but also to learn fighting skills in order to fight for Islam?
Youth, boys and girls, who take off to do Jihad – should carefully consider and study the fighting and the area he is going to and what he wishes to accomplish there. Then he should go. And if he goes h should not regret it. If he comes back after six months then he would be looked upon with suspicion – even if he just went down to be a street sweeper. Those who leave to do Jihad must not return but have to stay. If he comes back, ther will be lots of trouble and difficulties for Muslims, and international intelligence will scrutinize him. And the pressure on the Muslims here will increase. I don’t support that.
The war that right now is happening in Syria and Iran is it important?
Yes. Of course it is important. What is happening in Syria is right. The people want to remove the old regime which has done criminal things nobody had ever done before. The West stood silent and watched while their consciences were either dead or on vacation. So the only real thing for Syria is Jihad despite what the West might think.
How important is the establishment of a Caliphate with a Caliph that is of Muhammed’s own family?
This is an important point which I do not think the West fully understands. Some politicians understand but they do not really wish to understand. And that is that Isam is not like Christianity. Our Islam is a political movement. The Bible is not the same as the Koran. The Koran has 500 verses about politics and rulings about it. Sharia laws and its justice system. You don’t find that in the Bible. there is a big difference, therefore we cannot in Islam separate politics on the one side and religion on the other. Religion and politics go hand in hand in Islam. So the establishment of a Caliphate is both a legal and a religioun event. From the deepest part of our religion. What is happening in Syria where Dr. Abu Adkr al-Baghdadi proclaimed the establishment of a Caliphate, a regime the West fears. Two imporant points about al-Baghdadi. Firstly, Obama and all who are with him fear the Caliphate – beacause we Muslims support it, right from Indonesia to Morocco – from Chechnya to South Africa if we think he is the rightful Caliph. Because that would mean that the old borders are wiped out. This Sykes-Picot-line that we do not acknowledge.
Are you ready to swear allegiance to the Caliph?
I am not yet ready. this is because I don’t know him and the Caliphate well enough. Which rules they follow. In our religious books there are seven conditions for a Caliphate. But if I recognize him as the Calph then yes, I would swear allegiance to him in fromt of the Norwegian parliament and I would endure and accept all sorts of reactions from the rest of the world.
Do you think that this Caliphate or another Caliphate will take over the dominion of the world?
Not the whole world. But I think that within the next 20 years we will again have our Caliphate. And it will play a big role in the International community. I mean that our Islamic community (Umman) has reached 70%. We need then only 30%, and in my opinion we will reach this withing 20-25 years God willing, then we well have our own Islamic state – which everybody will have to swear allegiance to whether the West likes it or not.
Freedom or speech was won for criticism of religious authority.
Without that freedom, all other freedons will be labeled as a religious matter and will be lost to us
Criticising religion, and even ridiculing it, is not just a freedom. It is a profound obligation.